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Poster: deadpolitics Date: Sep 26, 2009 10:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: China > ????? > Rider

Hey guys and gals, I've been pretty curious about seeking out a nice China/Rider sandwich to enjoy. I don't have a Deadbase, so I'm not sure if that would even help in this query.

Is there a list of the type of meat, meat substitute, cheeses, greens, sauces and/or condiments that have been placed between these tasty buns (no, not that, you perv!).

Here's one example I found: http://www.archive.org/details/gd88-07-29.aud.hayum.5395.sbeok.shnf

China Cat Sunflower > Crazy Fingers > I Know You Rider

This should be interesting!

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Poster: MMBJ2 Date: Sep 26, 2009 10:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: China > ????? > Rider

Dove is actually quite good.

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1983-07-30.fob.sony220t.keshavan.miller.96401.sbeok.flac16

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Poster: deadpolitics Date: Sep 27, 2009 12:05am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: China > ????? > Rider

The dove was pretty good considering the '83 vintage, but I'm looking for a bird that sings...

Searching for a full song sandwiched in between China and Rider... besides Feelin' Groovy...

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Poster: Dan Russ Date: Sep 27, 2009 3:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: China > ????? > Rider

I enjoy this kind of challenge as the research always leads to something cool I didn’t know. After consulting DeadBase X it appears that the 7/29/88 Crazy Fingers is the only time (for a full song.)

Although maybe discussed here before, some interesting facts for the heck of it.
IKYR has been in the repertoire since at least early 1966. First China Cat was 1/17/68.
First China > Rider 9/30/69 - Rider had not been played since 12/1/66.
There weren’t many times that they departed from the sequence after this, excepting for a couple more times in ‘69 and acoustic Riders.

3/31/73.....Other One > Spanish jam > Rider
3/9/85......China Cat > Cumberland > Miracle > Eyes
11/10/85....Half Step > Rider > Playin’> UJB >supplication jam
8/5/89......Hey Pocky Way > Playin’> Rider > Terrapin

That was fun and hopefully accurate.

This post was modified by Dan Russ on 2009-09-27 22:24:27

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Sep 27, 2009 2:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: China > ????? > Rider

A minor correction...
The first China>Rider was on 9-30-69.

This is a more detailed discussion of early China>Riders - it'll be of no help in finding later China>???>Riders, but it does have a complete list of the songs China segued into in '69, along with some unusual early placements:

http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=211725

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Poster: deadpolitics Date: Sep 27, 2009 2:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: China > ????? > Rider

Thanks for your great work, lia.

China Cat was the song where I first felt the deep psychedelia of the Grateful Dead. I had heard Uncle John's Band, Shakedown Street, and Terrapin Station before then and thought of them as a Classic Rock band with folky, bluesy undertones... didn't really know what to think of Terrapin at first except that it was awesome.

I could have sworn there was a China > Foolish Heart > Rider sometime in the 80's... I don't really like Foolish Heart too much but the main instrumental hook is beautiful.

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Poster: Dan Russ Date: Sep 27, 2009 3:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: China > ????? > Rider

My apologies, obviously I should have cross-referenced DeadBase with the archive.
I had been wondering if you were going to post on this – belatedly I am digging 7/5 Electric Theater and find the catch – Jerry abruptly strikes High Time. Thanks.

ps. I'm going to modify my first post so it reads true.


This post was modified by Dan Russ on 2009-09-27 22:22:56

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Poster: deadpolitics Date: Sep 27, 2009 2:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: China > ????? > Rider

Thanks Dan,

I'll check out these creative anomalies!

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Poster: B.C. Cox Date: Sep 27, 2009 11:37am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: China > ????? > Rider

a few good China Cat jams > GDTRFB > NFA in 1971.

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Poster: SkyDawg Date: Sep 27, 2009 5:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: China > ????? > Rider

No Rider, but an interesting transition all the same
Good Lovin'>China Cat>Good Lovin'

http://www.archive.org/details/gd72-01-02.sbd.eD.8709.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: Dan Russ Date: Sep 28, 2009 2:52am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: China > ????? > Rider

Good one!
DeadBase is a beloved resource and the culmination of massive efforts at that. Cool that we now have the web (and each other) to continue nurturing our listening and learning.

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